Tuesday, June 19, 2007

Pictures: LAF Tanks Operating in Nahr el Bared

A flash is seen as a Lebanese Army tank fires at a building during fighting in the Palestinian Nahr el-Bared refugee camp near Tripoli, Lebanon, Monday, June 18, 2007.(AP Photo/Matt Dunham)

Two more soldiers died today defending our right to live in a country free of terror and tyranny.

Images as seen on Yahoo!News.

32 comments:

  1. Questions:

    1. Why are there Lebanese that are willing to sell their own sovereignty to Syria?

    2. Why won't Lebanon setup at treaty with Israel and go after the terrorists together?

    3. I don't consider Lebanon to be Arab. If I am correct in my history the people are the descendants of Phoenecians. If this is so, why is there apparently such a strong link with the Arabs?

    4. Is Lebanon strong enough to win against the islamic terrorists?

    5. Are there enough people with the resolve to do so?

    Please don't take these as condescending. I just would like your take on them.

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  2. Anonymous5:34 PM

    1. Lebanese will sell out to anyone at anytime, Its in our proud history.

    2. Israel killed over 20,000 civilians in their invasion to liberate Lebanon. (sound familiar?)

    3. Lebanese sure as hell look like arabs. They sound like arabs...Sorry dude, no matter how much European or Pheonecian load was mixed into our DNA, we are still part of the arab world.

    4. Lebanon isn't strong enough to win against itself (feudal warlords, corruption, greed), let alone any "terrorists" whatever direction they may come from. N/E/S/W

    5. An SL500 or Peace...Most Lebanese would have to think long and hard about that.

    Israel historically has tried to divide Lebanese into religious enclaves, and thanks to greedy, non nationalistic christians (and others), they obliged Israel every chance they had.

    Syria is no innocent player either...but history shows us that Lebanese people invited (sold out to) the Syrians, Israelis, Americans, French, Iranians, etc, etc, etc,...And the ONLY reason the Lebanese did this, was to advance their own racist, feudal, and greedy agenda.

    So please, stop listening to the brainwashed masses on this side or that side of the divide in Lebanon. If Lebanese stop putting themselves ahead of their country, then, and only then will there be a strong independent Lebanon.

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  3. 1. If this is a known, then is something that can be overcome.

    2. Although the past can't be ignored, it can be set aside, and new alliances established.

    3. You're only part of the Arab world if you chose to be. This can be changed.(yes, easier said than done)

    4. Corruption and greed are things that all nations have to deal with. It is controllable.

    5. Tragic.

    Are there not enough people willing to put Lebanon on a good path? Pardon my own naivete but I hold the people of a country responsible for it's governments actions or inactions, especially my own. I think Lebanon could be the keystone to change in the region. Then again this is probably one of those times where my romanticism overcomes my cynicism.

    Thanks for your response.

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  4. True Blue6:27 PM

    James don't listen to anonymous, he must be talking about himself because thats not my Lebanon!

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  5. True Blue, do you have a response for me? I am truthfully trying to get a handle on what is and may occur in Lebanon. As I mentioned in my previous comment, My romanticism is overtaking my cynicism in regards to what is happening.

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  6. burger7:00 PM

    "I think Lebanon could be the keystone to change in the region."

    Yes, that is a very romantic idea indeed. Unfortunately, it defies all facts of reality.

    Lebanon, like many "nations" in the middle east, is mostly artificial. Some of these nations have been defined based on historic and redundant data, other based on political affiliations. None of them are the result of a nationalistic uprising from the people.

    Lebanon doesn't form a nation, and the Lebanese don't share much feelings of brotherhood with their peers. Most Lebanese feel they belong to their own respective sects/religious groups a whole lot more than they do to their own country.

    Lebanese people care about their hometowns in Lebanon, and don't give much of a shit for most other areas of Lebanon.

    Many/most Lebanese live abroad and only return to Lebanon for summer holidays. They are fine with that and very few have a strong enough nationalistic feeling to decide to return and work through the hardships of life in Lebanon.

    Lebanese people will chose wealth and money over the wellbeing of Lebanon.

    Nonetheless, Lebanese people love their own respective culture (relatively different from sect to sect) and usually propagate it down to their children.

    Even though I am enumerating some similarities between Lebanese, they share little else in common. Even though they all speak Lebanese (albeit with differing accents), most Lebanese from the numerous sects differ quite significantly on a cultural aspect. It is not by coincidence that Lebanon has never been united under the flag...

    Many people are mislead into believing that Lebanese people are more "westernized" than the rest of the Arab world. This was only true for some of the Lebanese Christians who had strong ties with the French. Nonetheless, even they trace most of their ancestry to Arab descent. Pheonician ancestry, although present in many of the Lebanese population, is but a recessive aspect to the more dominant Arab heritage in Lebanon.

    Lebanon is a very complex place, and most Lebanese themselves are just ignorant servants to this complexity.

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  7. I never though I would find a tank so beautiful. Je swi zemu...

    Go Army! N... 3ordon!

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  8. Hey James,
    I'm not around much today due to some pressing work but I wanted to at dabble a bit in the debate you've stirred

    With respect to question 1:

    There different reasons for why each group of Lebanese who currently oppose the government have taken the stances that they have.

    1. For some, the deep historical, cultural, and genealogical ties of many Lebanese to Syria form the basis of their political outlook. Not everyone in this group supports the regime in Syria, however, and those that do usually owe their allegiance to a form of co-opting less ideological and more material.

    2. Which brings us to our second group. We shouldn’t forget that all of Lebanon was occupied by the Syrians for 15 years, and that parts of it were occupied for approximately 25 years. In that time, and even before, business interests were formed with the regime, along with corruption interests. The pockets of many Lebanese were lined with cash on the back of this occupation and a return of Syrian hegemony to Lebanon would surely ensure a continuation of this illicit money flow.

    3. One word is enough to describe the third group – spite. This group is made up of regular Lebanese people who have taken it upon themselves to oppose any and all positions taken by supporters of another group simply out of spite. Given that Lebanon is a small country, the advancement of one person, family, group, usually involves the screwing over of another person/family/group. For some people, pettiness and spite finds a way of seeping into their entire outlook on life. These people can be found on either side of the political divide.

    4. Finally there are those who don’t need a reason at all. All they need are a few words from their political/spiritual leader and they quickly fall in line. Why worry themselves with questions when their leader obviously has the right answers. They support Syria just because their leader tells them to, and to hell with everyone else!

    Yes, yes, I oversimply very deep and complicated thoughts and positions on the future of the country (sarcasm), but at the end of the day that is what it boils down to in every single case.

    There are some people who genuinely want the best for the country, I know, but in trying to project and act on that intention by supporting groups who continue to act on behalf of the Syrian regime in Lebanon, they betray their association to one of the above 4 categories.

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  9. vox p.9:22 PM

    It's easy to criticize the Lebanese who have emigrated, but it's because of the Lebanese living abroad that the Lebanese living in Lebanon can earn their salaries and educate their children.

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  10. A simple question that is probably hard to answer:

    How does the attitude portratyed in the posted answers to my questions get changed?

    There has to be a way.

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  11. They get changed by building a state that everyone can believe in.

    Nobody said it was going to be easy and nobody said it was going to be perfect but in supporting the building of a state and working through its institutions to make it better we can secure a future Lebanon.

    Right now we have armed thugs running around kidnapping police officers. We have to stand up and say enough, put our differences aside and work to make sure that there are no more internal and external threats to our survival as a country. No matter which Lebanese comes out on top in the short run, it is through this endeavour that all Lebanese come out on top in the long run.

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  12. If people took a stand I assume it would lead to another civil war. I understand that sometimes this is necessary. However, there is no guarantee that the future would be any better after the fact. The human condition is often depressing.

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  13. Some Lebanese are taking a stand, and making the sacrifices, while others keep try to keep the door open to further strife (whether it be by starting another war with Israel or given terrorists a green light).

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  14. Anonymous11:57 PM

    Amal movement supporter shoot Future Movement partisans !!!! The terrorist opposition strikes again.... opposition = alliance of terrorists from different sects

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  15. True Blue12:09 AM

    Yeah its true, two guys from the FM were shot by an Amal guy. People are saying it started over a fight over a parking space and then got political.

    One FM guys is dead. Amal said it had nothing to do with it.

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  16. True Blue12:13 AM

    The shooting happened in the Farhat neighborhood near Cornish al-Mazra3ah and the Mosaytbi area.

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  17. True Blue12:15 AM

    The areas are almost calm and nothing to report. The problem is personal but the thugs who fired the shoots are known to be Amal Supporters and have Amal flags on their car.

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  18. Anonymous12:17 AM

    Farhat area is its so close to Chatila refugee camp near Sabra.

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  19. True Blue12:20 AM

    FM Member in Makassed + Attending Doctor: The injured man by a shot in his head is being entered into the operation room. His vital signs are stable and he is not in danger. An urgent operation is need it.

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  20. True Blue12:21 AM

    Harakit Amal supporters fired at a member from Najjar Family.

    Harakit Amal denied that those thugs that fired are related to her but they had Amal flags on their car and they are well known in the area that they support Amal.

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  21. True Blue12:21 AM

    FM supporters were unarmed, they were parking the car. The shooting took place from one side only.

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  22. ...Unfortunate incident. I hope the young man recovers from the wound and the assailants get caught before they run off to one of our local "security islands" (where it is suspected the Ziad murderers are hiding by the way).

    Anonymous and True Blue thanks for the updates.

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  23. Request: What is a good online NEWPAPER or NEWS AGENCY that covers events in Lebanon? I am sorry to show my ignorance but I don't have an inkling as to who or what Amal is.

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  24. Anonymous1:51 AM

    James Biga,

    I'm assuming that you want news about Lebanon written in english, here are two good sources:

    www.dailystar.com
    www.naharnet.com

    Note also that the are many links through this blog to news about Lebanon in English. Just look at the right side ...

    About Amal: Amal is a bunch of criminal thugs under the command of what is known as the "speaker of parliament" Nabih Berri. This guy commited atricities during the civil war and is a known murderer, and so is his militia. It's a sectarian militia, allied with Hizabllah and FPM (themselves secatrian, the first a militia, the second a bunch of sectarian lunatics who swallow their leader's Aoun shit anyday)

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  25. It would appear to me that the Lebanese government has done what the Fatah organization in "Palestine" has done and allowed known criminals to become leaders.

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  26. Anonymous2:49 AM

    James Biga,

    I made a typo with the link to the daily star newspaper, here's the correct address:

    http://www.dailystar.com.lb/

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  27. Renée C.3:20 AM

    James Biga, this blog is a great place to find out more about Lebanon, but I'd also second the recommendation of Naharnet. It is English, and there are Lebanese from all political groups posting their views there. The language and conversation comes in all shapes and sizes so be warned, lol. Blacksmith Jade has a link to the place on the right side of this blog, along with other good Lebanese news sources.

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  28. James,

    Its not as simple as that. Amal was one of many militias that operated during the country's civil war. As part of the agreement that brought an end to the war, a general amnesty was doled out to all who participated in the killing and crime that accompanied the war.

    Anyway, a good place to start learning about the country's history is through the sidebar :P.

    That is, we have a link to a 15 part (I think its 15 parts I haven't checked it in a while) Al Jazeera video series (subtitles in English) that goes over the history of Lebanon's civil war. Its not without its biases but its a decent place to start. There are also some books highlighted in the sidebar which provide a historical perspective as well as analysis on the war and the people of the country.

    Amal currently forms part of the Hizballah-led pro-Syrian opposition. Its a predominantly Shiite movement.

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  29. Also, there was a debate I engaged in with a supporter of Hizballah which might be interesting to those who want to examine different point of views on the current situation in Lebanon and ways in which to move forward on it.

    The debate is in the comments section of this post.

    Of course I've written more on the topics discussed in those comments in subsequent posts, but for the purpose of providing the other viewpoint that debate might do the trick.

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  30. Thank You all for your responses. I promise that I will do my best to educate myself on the conditions in Lebanon. I hope that all those respondants that live in Lebanon can one day wake up to there own country and raise families that don't live in fear of their neighbor.

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  31. Arabic Coffee Pot3:16 AM

    The Army is kicking the ass out of those Syrian-imported sons of b****es!!!

    Anyone else who threatens the state will get the same treatment!!!!!!

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